Posts by Deputy Dog

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A reason christs ransom makes no sense to me

by Aussie Oz in

do you remember the old jeff bridges film ''the last starman''?.

basic theme was an extra terestrial energy life transmogrified into a human and impregnated a woman with a seed that would become the savior of humanity.. hollywood is an old hand at using good v evil sort of messages that have ideoligical ties to the bible and the 'need' for mankind to be saved from themselves.. what gets me about this particular film is that the savior to come was there for all humanity.

no conditions were placed on how many from what nations could benefit, nor was salvation only for those who 'believed' or were smart enough to read visions or hidden messages etc.

Deputy Dog

Terry

This parlour game was very popular for a long long time in Christendom. When I first became a JW the Society's publications were filled with types and anti-types. Sort of like shouting in a canyon and listening for the sound to return again and again.

Help me out. Since I was never "in", I never played the Society's parlor game.

Here is how Jehovah gets to be Abraham. It is easy as pie.
Jesus is the son of god. Right?
Isaac is the son of Abraham. Right?
Do the math.

Who represents you and/or me?

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A reason christs ransom makes no sense to me

by Aussie Oz in

do you remember the old jeff bridges film ''the last starman''?.

basic theme was an extra terestrial energy life transmogrified into a human and impregnated a woman with a seed that would become the savior of humanity.. hollywood is an old hand at using good v evil sort of messages that have ideoligical ties to the bible and the 'need' for mankind to be saved from themselves.. what gets me about this particular film is that the savior to come was there for all humanity.

no conditions were placed on how many from what nations could benefit, nor was salvation only for those who 'believed' or were smart enough to read visions or hidden messages etc.

Deputy Dog

Terry

If Abraham is Jehovah and Isaac is Jesus......who is the Ram?

Michelle's right, and I'd like to know, in what way do you think Abraham is Jehovah (in Gen 22)?

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A reason christs ransom makes no sense to me

by Aussie Oz in

do you remember the old jeff bridges film ''the last starman''?.

basic theme was an extra terestrial energy life transmogrified into a human and impregnated a woman with a seed that would become the savior of humanity.. hollywood is an old hand at using good v evil sort of messages that have ideoligical ties to the bible and the 'need' for mankind to be saved from themselves.. what gets me about this particular film is that the savior to come was there for all humanity.

no conditions were placed on how many from what nations could benefit, nor was salvation only for those who 'believed' or were smart enough to read visions or hidden messages etc.

Deputy Dog

Tammy

God did not kill his Son.

Oh really? I'm sure you're going to tell me this is not scripture.

Isa 53:10

But the LORD was pleased To crush Him, putting Him to grief; If He would render Himself as a guilt offering, He will see His offspring, He will prolong His days, And the good pleasure of the LORD will prosper in His hand.

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Which one of these men will you kill...if either?

by Terry in

i like to perform "thinking experiments" like einstein use to do.

of course, he was better equipped for it than i am.

but, dash it all, i do anyway.. i imagine two men sitting side by side in a train station waiting on a train.. they more are less look like fairly "normal" people.

Deputy Dog

whereami

THE MORAL SIDE OF MURDER

There is no moral side to MURDER, it's always wrong.

However all killing is NOT MURDER.

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Which one of these men will you kill...if either?

by Terry in

i like to perform "thinking experiments" like einstein use to do.

of course, he was better equipped for it than i am.

but, dash it all, i do anyway.. i imagine two men sitting side by side in a train station waiting on a train.. they more are less look like fairly "normal" people.

Deputy Dog

Twitch

Thanks for the answer; it makes sense and is reasonable as I had hoped. My presumption was a bit of bait in that I tried to mimic Terry's conundrum in a real life situation with the stipulation that one wouldn't have time or the option of waiting for backup and had to make a life or death decision immediately. I realize that police have to resort to deadly force at times, thus my reason for asking. Tough job I'm sure.

I understood what you and Terry were trying to do, and I wouldn't call anyone names, for trying to be creative with there solutions, which is the whole idea.

After hearing Terry's story about what happened to him. I can start understand what he was getting at in his test. He's right, most people NEVER think about these issues. Until I started getting into law enforcement, I know I hadn't completely thought it through. Thinking about this is a good idea. If you make up your mind what the right thing to do is now, you can train/plan to respond when the time comes.

I would disagree with P Sac's statement (but, I think I know what he means):

"Never, ever, have the notion that killing is 'easy" or that it can be "justified" and that, somehow, that makes it bareable."

I think some killing is "justified" and so does the law in most countries. In short a police officer (and most everyone else in most cases) is "justified" in using DEADLY FORCE to protect his own life, or that of another.

I know we are all "wired" differently, in how we think and act. If there is a lesson to learn hear it is: "What does a DEADLY FORCE situation look like?" Most police officers have about one or two seconds to decide in many, if not most cases.

Terry

Hard to say, but, my strongest possible guess is this: if I witnessed somebody doing something violent to one of my daughters I don't think

I would have it in me NOT TO do violence to them instantly. I can't imagine being able to restrain myself.

That same "instinct", however, doesn't seem to be there when only I am involved in the threat.

I hear you! That was hard for me to get over as well. What openned my eyes, is when I started to think about how I would be able to protect those around me. If I'm dead, I'm not much good or help to my partner or my family.

I often recommend to people to take some classes if possible, on personal protection and deadly force.

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Which one of these men will you kill...if either?

by Terry in

i like to perform "thinking experiments" like einstein use to do.

of course, he was better equipped for it than i am.

but, dash it all, i do anyway.. i imagine two men sitting side by side in a train station waiting on a train.. they more are less look like fairly "normal" people.

Deputy Dog

Twitch

@DeputyDog - You say if one would take action in the scenario, they would be unfit to be a police officer. Which I presume is to say a police officer wouldn't willingly take a life. Who would really?

You presume wrong. There is a time for deadly force. But Terry's scenario, isn't one of them. The solution is simple... ask someone for help.

There are many things that could be done. With help, you could follow both men, photograph and identify both men, learn more about them and make an arrest or take the right man out if it comes to that.

It's never right to take a chance and impulsively kill someone.

Your scenario is different, but, patience is still a virtue. I've actually been put into the hostage situation in training, many times.

First, I'd call for backup. Next I'd find cover and wait until I could get a safe shot off, and/or wait for my help to arrive. I'd also watch and report events as I observe them, with details of who is who and where, to further aid my backup as he/they arrive on scene.

Now I'd admit that there are times when you may take risks if/when reasonable depending on the situation. One time in training, I managed to shoot the bad guy in the head from about 20 yards away with my Glock pistol (loaded with symunition), while he was still holding his hostage.

I was then asked if I wanted to play the part of the hostage for the rest of the day. That really made me stop and think about my decision.

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On Human Evolution

by TD in

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friends

it's a subject that comes up fairly often here (understandably) and very strong opinions are expressed.

much of the discussion seems to be counterproductive.. i'd like to propose a different approach.

we all know what each other's conclusions are (or at least we should by now).

Deputy Dog

Cadellin

However, my error in this aspect of my analogy doesn't nullify my overall point. The domestic dog, whether pit bull, rottweiler or golden retriever, is still considered a separate though closely related species. And as such, it differs from wolves in behavior and some aspects of morphology. Because of how closely they're related, they can produce fertile offspring.

Actually you're wrong again. You can pick any behavioral trait from a wolf you like, and breeding just from dog breeds I can breed it back, in just a few generations. In fact you can see them in various breeds. It's also very easy to see that some breeds of dogs have more in comon with wolves than with other breeds of dog. Should we make each breed it's own species?

As a dog trainer for 25 years, and, Fish and wildlife officer for 20, who has worked with wolves and wolf hybrids a few times, wolf traits in dogs are very easy to spot.

Also, are you aware of how much wolves and coyotes interbreed in the wild? The eastern coyote is much more wolf like than it's western cousin. They are larger and act more wolf like.

Interesting excerpt from DD's stanford link:

Evolutionary theory ... tells us that the boundaries between species are vague.

Which is the point I was trying to make with my (foundering) dog analogy

And my point is that sometimes they are so vague they really aren't there at all, they are simply variety within a species.

Which brings us back to TDs little test.

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Which one of these men will you kill...if either?

by Terry in

i like to perform "thinking experiments" like einstein use to do.

of course, he was better equipped for it than i am.

but, dash it all, i do anyway.. i imagine two men sitting side by side in a train station waiting on a train.. they more are less look like fairly "normal" people.

Deputy Dog

Terry

As some who was trained to make this type of decision, with much less than 10 minutes.

Anyone who would take action in the little test you gave would be unfit to be a police officer.

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May 21, 2011 - The Rapture Cometh!

by Billy the Ex-Bethelite in

harold camping has promised that the rapture will be on may 21, 2011.. .

they've put it on this van that "the bible guarantees it", so it must be true!.

after all, would this face lie?.

Deputy Dog

I'm wondering if Harold Camping will hand over control of his radio station (family radio) to me on May 22 now that he won't need it.

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Come Up With Your Own Over-The-Top Sensational "Six Screens" Post

by OnTheWayOut in

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friends

after reading kool-aid man's title for his thread about "total pandemonium" breaking out on six screens over johnnie, and having a hard time believing he has the gall to use such an outcome to actually advertise why we should go to six screens and listen if we missed it, i figured that we could do better than kool-aid man and post some totally sensational ways to advertise his website and phone conferences.. stuff like this (only better and funny):.

johnnie the bethelite is actually a governing body member's son.. .

rick fearon hosts six screens this saturday and admits to being p.t.

Deputy Dog

I hope it's just part of the healing process. He's been abused by the cult like everyone else. He's dealing with getting even with the cult and his own pain at the same time. That's not easy nor healthy sometimes.